Show HN: Channel Surfer β Watch YouTube like itβs cable TV
221 points - last Wednesday at 2:34 PM
I know, it's a very first-world problem. But in my house, we have a hard time deciding what to watch. Too many options!
So I made this to recreate Cable TV for YouTube. I made it so it runs in the browser. Quickly import your subscriptions in the browser via a bookmarklet. No accounts, no sign-ins. Just quickly import your data locally.
It just so happens I'm right in the middle of trying to change how I watch YouTube at my computer. Despite my best efforts, I find myself getting sucked into shorts, so I'm starting investigate if I can take advantage of YouTube RSS syndication. I recently build yt-dlp and got all the dependencies sorted out, so I can bring videos to my machine locally. I'm also checking out elfeed[0] which is an Emacs based RSS reader, and elfeed-tube[1] which further customizes the elfeed experience for YouTube as well as adding an mpv integration that lets you control video playback directly from Emacs.
Reminds me of https://ytch.tv/ which I really like for its simplicity.
skyberrystoday at 6:57 PM
It took me a minute to realize you are recreating the cable menu too. It's a nostalgic hit. All it's missing is a chunky remote and annoying siblings to fight with.
commandlinefantoday at 7:29 PM
> a very first-world problem
Actually I really wish this had existed while my father was still alive! Toward the end of his life, he had developed pretty debilitating Alzheimers, but he still liked to watch TV. The problem was, modern TVs were way too complex for him to use. My mom had to come in the room and put on DVDs for him pretty much all day. I'm sure he could have figured out how to channel surf by himself if that had been an option.
cedwstoday at 6:06 PM
I really like this. Often I just want to watch something but YouTube insidiously steers me towards doom videos, even after clearing cookies. I like that this bypasses the algorithm and lets me just watch stuff, and if there's nothing interesting playing, I can just go do something more productive.
Minor49ertoday at 4:55 PM
This reminds me of a similar project called Hypertext.tv, but instead of YouTube videos, it shows websites. It's an interesting take on channel surfing since each airing is interactive
I love this concept. I was recently thinking about how I used to be able to skip from one channel to another when an ad break came on. I would love the harness on a smart device to be like this so that I may switch between the Hulu and Netflix apps at will. Why should I have to restart the app each time I navigate in? Why do the apps even know that I am switching around?
BatmansMomtoday at 8:08 PM
Would love a way to get this on my tv! Casting from a browser would be too much
bentttoday at 7:23 PM
I love this. At a glance, here are some dynamics this reveals:
1. You can share a channel with a friend and know that they see the same thing as you. What's on at 5:03pm on channel 4 is the same for everyone.
2. The decision of what to watch is topical and greatly simplified. It extracts the decisions from "the algorithm" and gives you agency again.
3. There's a lot of stuff you never see on Youtube's recommendations because the algorithm doesn't show you those videos. Ever.
epiccolemantoday at 4:45 PM
This is super cool, I love the aesthetic. The biggest thing I want out of something like this is curation (and it seems like there's at least some degree of that happening here among the various categories).
Which has folks from The History channel, Pawn Stars, etc
holysolestoday at 6:38 PM
I'll plug a similar project that I found last week, its an emulated TV Tuner (HD Homerun) of your Plex/Jellyfin content. Its great having an easy option to throw something on for background noise.
My first impulse was when pressing the channels that it wasn't working. I then realized I had to hold down my thumb for it to then give me a prompt to tune to the channel. That user experience needs to be improved.
Other than that, this totally fits the nostalgia of old school cable channel surfing!
Well done!
gerjomartytoday at 6:30 PM
This reminded me of Ersatz TV [1], which on checking appears to have gone into maintenance mode a few weeks ago.
I had wanted to use something that lets me set up an EPG with all of the YouTube channels I watch, to see their live streams in a TV guide and see their upcoming streams in a nice grid format. It's probably harder to do this with live stuff than it is to have a set of videos like this site uses.
This is so weird because yesterday, or the day before I was trying to think of some sample code to work on, and I did want to simulate a TV set with youtube. Not exactly like yours, no channel guide, but the basics and I think there is a weird reason besides inside knowledge why prediction markets "work"!!
Looks great!
downsplattoday at 4:41 PM
Why would you want to do that? I'm so happy I can search exactly what I want among heaps of long tail stuff, I would never want to go back to a "live tv" interaction model.
jader201today at 6:13 PM
I wonder how cool it would be to have a live ephemeral chat for each channel?
One thing I love(d) about live TV (or even live radio) was the community around knowing other people were watching the exact same thing I was watching (and then the watercooler chat around it afterwards).
If there was live chat attached to each of these "stations", it could spark some interesting chatter/community.
I know this already exists OOTB with YouTube Live, FB Live, etc.
But this would be for things that were simply uploaded, and now streamed live like you're doing here.
Obviously, that only works if there's enough viewership/participation.
ekjhgkejhgktoday at 7:01 PM
There's a nice interview with Stallman where he's asked about this: what are people's motivation for contributing to Free software.
This is the kind of thing I used to tell myself that I needed to exist before I'd be able to drop cable. The ability to just mindlessly turn on the TV and drop yourself right into the middle of something and leave it on throughout the day was... habit-forming, I guess.
Though ultimately it was not that difficult of a habit to drop.
numberstoday at 7:20 PM
I want something like this for Plex, where I can just turn it on and have some of my favorite shows play random episodes, and I wish Plex made that easy to do.
thebiblelover7today at 4:45 PM
I like the idea of everyone getting fed the same content. But I also especially love being able to discover new videos and channels that are hopefully curated by humans.
It might be better to just turn this on when I'm wanting to watch something than open YouTube and look at my homepage.
clintonctoday at 7:35 PM
I love this. Thank you.
bityardtoday at 5:29 PM
Ah, it's interesting but if you really want the cable TV experience, there is pluto.tv which works in a browser, and is generally installed on most streaming boxes/sticks/TVs.
Does this avoid YouTube ads or pass them through? I somewhat wonder if this kind of thing is the reason that YouTube wants to progressively lock down their platform. (They don't want users avoiding their algorithms and their ads.)
elbactoday at 5:32 PM
I love how 'Music 80s' is channel 29, which was MTV on cable when I was growing up in the tri-state area in the 80s ;)
iamspoilttoday at 7:29 PM
Is there an app for this I can download on my Apple TV?
mattastoday at 6:25 PM
My initial reaction to the headline was, "cable TV is terrible, why would anyone want to watch YouTube like it's cable?!" But I actually love this!
A similar site used to exist that had really high quality curated content called neverthink, it was acquired in 2021 and eventually killed but I always thought it was a great idea.
alejoartoday at 5:18 PM
Ha, this is amazing. We need a version for Android TV!
this is so good ! Great idea, not going to use it a lot but great concept
naxtsasstoday at 5:38 PM
This is a really interesting idea.
pwr1today at 4:36 PM
Love it, but when I clicked another show in the guide, nothing happened.
rusakov-fieldtoday at 4:54 PM
That is really creative.
alldayhaterdudetoday at 6:16 PM
THis rules
VikingCodertoday at 7:39 PM
Now make it a Roku app!!! :D
Barbingtoday at 6:00 PM
When yesterday I wondered the best approach to keeping slop off elderly seniors' feeds, I suppose the universe heard me. Thank you!
poisonarenatoday at 6:47 PM
i want to be try this but I am unable to import my subscriptions like the directions you give, it just brigns me to the my feed when i follow your directions