Afroman found not liable in defamation case

1226 points - last Thursday at 9:51 AM

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NikolaNovak last Thursday at 1:57 PM
I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they seem to keep them drawn and hair triggered throughout the search? :O

(on aside, I do enjoy watching British crime procedural shows as contrast, where seemingly nobody has guns and they have to call in a special unit if they actually need somebody with a handgun)

looofooo0 last Thursday at 11:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y

This is the video in question, police again falling trap to the Streisand effect.

maerF0x0 last Thursday at 3:01 PM
They tell us over and over again that we should have no expectation of privacy or not being filmed in public. Well, IMO they should not have any expectation of privacy or not being filmed when on private property and conducting the work _that we pay for_. They work for us.
postalcoder last Thursday at 1:06 PM
It gives me immeasurable delight seeing afroman at the top of HN.

Love me some freedom, sweet soulful music, and pie in the face of bad cops.

Dang/Tom, please don't downrank this. America needs this win.

BLKNSLVR last Thursday at 12:03 PM
Pretty funny, worth seeing at least once to be able to reference it at appropriate times.

Having had my house raided, I love this. Police incompetence should be exposed at all opportunities with the hope that it makes some small amount of difference to future competence.

duxup last Thursday at 3:42 PM
> In one of the music videos, “Will You Help Me Repair My Door,” surveillance footage shows officers swinging open a gate, kicking down a door, and roaming armed around a living room and a kitchen.

>The other, “Lemon Pound Cake,” shows one of the officers, gun in hand, pausing briefly in Mr. Foreman’s kitchen by a cake inside a glass cloche. “It made the sheriff want to put down his gun and cut him a slice,” Mr. Foreman sings in the song.

The man has a sense of humor.

Reubachi last Thursday at 12:58 PM
"Mr. Foreman was not at home during the 2002 police raid, but a security camera system and his wife, using her cellphone, recorded the “faces and bodies” of the officers while they were on the property, according to the lawsuit"

"2002" New York Times, everyone.

Props to afroman for his perfect demeanor/attitude during all this.

snackbroken last Thursday at 12:37 PM
Going on the stand and stating that you "don't know" whether the allegedly defamatory statements you are suing over are true or not is a... bold legal strategy.
fny last Thursday at 3:31 PM
I highly recommend people watch video from the trial--specifically the officer testimonies. It's absurd this lawsuit was even fit for trial.
hollywood_court last Thursday at 1:00 PM
Those cops embarrassed themselves. Especially that one lady that was faux crying. Shameful behavior from the largest gang in the US.
throwa356262 last Thursday at 1:55 PM
Serious question: how come the police have not paid for the damage they caused?
purpleidea last Thursday at 6:09 PM
The thing I don't understand is why it isn't a felony for the police the disable the surveillance cameras! That alone should be a crime. I get that you need search warrants and protections, but you shouldn't be able to suppress the evidence of your work, since it's common for police to steal, plant evidence, or destroy property.
NoSalt last Thursday at 1:57 PM
> "On March 14, 2023, seven Adams County police officers sued Foreman, alleging that his use of the video of the raid invaded their privacy."

THEIR privacy?!?!? Their privacy ... in his home? This is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard.

sanitycheck last Thursday at 2:05 PM
I don't understand how they found nothing in the raid, wouldn't they normally bring drugs with them to plant? If they forgot those that's a whole new level of police incompetence.
lotrjohn last Thursday at 12:52 PM
I was gonnna click the link, but then I got high.
maerF0x0 last Thursday at 3:01 PM
They tell us over and over again that we should have no expectation of privacy or not being filmed in public. Well, IMO they should not have any expectation of privacy or not being filmed when on private property.
debo_ last Thursday at 1:41 PM
Is the NY Post some kind of National Enquirer analogue? This article reads like it was written by a grade school child trying to emulate the voice of an villainous news reporter.
culi last Thursday at 4:11 PM
Interestingly enough this is not the first time cops have invaded a famous rapper's house and the rapper proceeded to make a music video out of the footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfVWiXY3WY

Neighbors by J. Cole

bdcravens last Thursday at 12:48 PM
Gotta say I love Afroman's choice of courtroom atire.
iamacyborg last Thursday at 12:11 PM
I’ve had “lemon pound cake” stuck in my head all morning thanks to this
subpixel last Thursday at 1:23 PM
I haven’t found any information about what cause the police had, why a warrant was issued, etc.

I’m not suggesting suspicion has merit, but given all the idiocy I’m wondering what other forms of chicanery may have taken place to get a warrant.

_qua last Thursday at 12:06 PM
Damn, that case took a long time to resolve. You know what they say about justice delayed...
jadbox last Thursday at 9:29 PM
In case people missed it, here's the video that caused the lawsuit to get filed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y
khernandezrt last Thursday at 2:40 PM
Never thuoght i'd see Afroman at the top of the Hackernews articles haha
sayYayToLife last Thursday at 1:14 PM
Okay at first I was like this music is not my style, but the humor was so good.
djfobbz last Thursday at 4:53 PM
Suing for invasion of privacy over a music video demonstrating how they invaded his privacy is wild!!
anon84873628 last Thursday at 1:21 PM
One of my favorite parts is when Afroman is being cross examined about why he brought the media and his lawyer to retrieve his money.

He says, well that was for my protection because they came to my house with AR-15's and turned off the cameras. "I didn't want to get beat up or Epstein'd".

And the lawyer is trying to make that out to be unreasonable, that a black man in the US shouldn't be scared of the police. Afroman just continues to assert that of course he was scared.

AndrewOMartin yesterday at 9:11 PM
> Foreman was sued by the Adams County Sheriff’s Office over a drug search at his home in August 2022 that resulted in no criminal charges.

This is a mad sentence.

dang last Thursday at 5:49 PM
Related. Others?

Do the cops suing Afroman after raiding his home have a case? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36827566 - July 2023 (19 comments)

Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid in his music videos - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35284187 - March 2023 (551 comments)

US Police raids home; sues homeowner over CCTV footage of raid - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35281258 - March 2023 (53 comments)

pseudolus last Thursday at 12:13 PM
notepad0x90 last Thursday at 3:20 PM
Is there anyone who isn't super rich who feels safe in america anymore?

Is it the same in other countries, can cops just raid you for no reason, or abduct people (ICE) and that's not the biggest story in the country?

archerx last Thursday at 12:00 PM
Those cops are the epitome of the term “cry bully”.
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nstj last Thursday at 2:17 PM
How come so many cctv’s inside his house?
lenerdenator last Thursday at 12:52 PM
Y'know, officers, if you'd shown up to his house after the raid and apologized and offered to buy the guy a new door of his choosing and the installation for it, we're probably not having this conversation.
ChrisMarshallNY last Thursday at 3:48 PM
Heh.

> their constitutional privacy

Isn't that something that people are always pointing out "is not guaranteed by the Constitution"?

djfobbz last Thursday at 4:53 PM
Suing for invasion of privacy over a music video demonstrating how they invaded his privacy is wild!!
xeckr last Thursday at 5:19 PM
Cops bust in searching for his drugs, then accuse him of invasion of privacy and humiliation...
dehrmann last Thursday at 4:04 PM
Defamation is the most boring version of this case. Barring dishonest editing, of course it's fine.

There are hypothetical versions of this that get more interesting. Ohio is a one-party consent state. It's not clear what happens in a two-party consent state. Law enforcement has no expectation of privacy in public spaces. Private is "it depends," think cases where low enforcement is discussing something with one party in a domestic dispute. If he had used bodycam footage, then you get into interesting copyright laws. Is it public domain, and if not, is it sufficiently transformative to qualify as fair use (think April 29, 1992 by Sublime).

LightBug1 last Thursday at 11:59 AM
As someone who has never seen that video before, could I respectfully say:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Thank you, Ohio cops and lawyers, for bringing this to our attention.

fortranfiend last Thursday at 3:41 PM
That lemon pound cake did look tempting though.
shevy-java last Thursday at 1:41 PM
This was also on youtube - Afroman made his points very clearly. That was an easy case.

Makes you wonder why taxpayers have to pay for incompetent cops all the time. I understand that some proection is needed, but the whole system is really defunct if such cases even (have to) come to court.

Asooka last Thursday at 1:19 PM
I know things are bad in the USA right now, but news like these show that you still have your basic rights. This kind of song would not fly in any other country on Earth. No other country has Freedom of Speech laws strong enough to defend against insulting the police. There have been some people abusing their freedom in recent times cough Kanye cough, but for every loud nazi there are ten more excellent people whose right to speak should not be infringed!
pkilgore last Thursday at 3:31 PM
cowsay "lemon pound cake"
zzzeek last Thursday at 12:28 PM
gotta love some Streisand effect in the morning...
quietsegfault last Thursday at 12:11 PM
The judge really loved the cops for some reason. So embarrassing for him.
shadowgovt last Thursday at 12:38 PM
One of the more interesting parts of the whole ordeal was officers getting on the witness stand and declaring that the lyrics that insinuated he had had sex with their wife were deeply traumatizing.

People keep throwing around 'cuck' as an insult, but if trained officers of the law familiar with application of deadly force when necessary can be severely traumatized by the notion of another man sleeping with their wife... Maybe the cucks have been the brave ones all along?

iririririr last Thursday at 2:08 PM
was this on the regular media? I've been bombarded by this case on tiktok for the last 5 days. and i don't follow police, law, celebrity, or rap.
mkovach last Thursday at 12:41 PM
As fellow Ohioan Chrissie Hine and The Pretenders said, "Ay, oh, way to go, Ohio."

Yeah, it was from "My City Was Gone," which isn't a pleasant song about the state, but pfft, it works here.

syngrog66 last Thursday at 10:11 PM
This story should not be on HN. Shame on you folks.
moi2388 last Thursday at 2:31 PM
I would argue that using the footage ought to be legal; they are in his home.

Posting their names is questionable; as officers they are public servants, but naming them is perhaps invasion of privacy?

Lying however would be slander and illegal, in my humble opinion. Not worth 4 million in damages, but at least a cease and desist?

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josefritzishere last Thursday at 12:56 PM
This is the single funniest thing to happen in at least a decade.