Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

247 points - today at 2:20 PM

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firefoxd today at 3:38 PM
Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it.

Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her".

But this is the worst part of the story:

> And after her ordeal, she never plans to return to the state: “I’m just glad it’s over,” she told WDAY. “I’ll never go back to North Dakota.”

That's the lesson? Never go back to North Dakota. No, challenge the entire system. A few years back it was a kid accused of shoplifting [0]. Then a man dragged while his family was crying [1]. Unless we fight back, we are all guilty until cleared.

[0]: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/29/apple_sis_lawsuit/

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23628394

garethsprice today at 5:57 PM
The vendor they used, Clearview AI, does not allow you to request data deletion unless you live in one of the half-dozen states that legally mandate it.

https://www.clearview.ai/privacy-and-requests

I have suddenly becomes very interested in New York's S1422 Biometric Privacy Act.

tlogan today at 3:49 PM
This is a weak or misleading story about AI.

First, the detective used the FaceSketchID system, which has been around since around 2014. It is not new or uniquely tied to modern AI.

Second, the system only suggests possible matches. It is still up to the detective to investigate further and decide whether to pursue charges. And then it is up to court to issue the warrant.

The real question is why she was held in jail for four months. That is the part that I do not understand. My understanding is that there is 30-day limit (the requesting state must pick up the defendant within 30 day). Regarding the individual involved, Angela Lipps, she has reportedly been arrested before, so it is possible she was on parole. So maybe they were holding her because of that?

Can someone clarify how that process works?

mitchbob today at 2:37 PM
Earlier discussion (405 comments):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

oopsiremembered today at 3:33 PM
Money quote from someone quoted in the article:

"[I]t’s not just a technology problem, it’s a technology and people problem."

I can't. I just can't.

mememememememo today at 7:36 PM
Wow thought the bar for probable cause for an arrest warrant would be much higher. Especially to drag soneone from another state.
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indigodaddy today at 6:52 PM
A lot of dumb shit happens in this arena, where if you had just one smart cop, it could have been prevented. Here’s one from 2023:

https://youtu.be/lPUBXN2Fd_E

jqpabc123 today at 2:28 PM
AI is a liability issue waiting to happen. And this is just another example.
jeremie_strand today at 7:54 PM
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casey2 today at 2:50 PM
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renewiltord today at 4:18 PM
This appears to be The Sort in action again. The 50% of Americans below IQ 100 also need jobs and so on. Perhaps with AI pushing out people from high-intelligence jobs, we will get a large number of intelligent people in jobs like police or retail pharmacists or so on. Currently, these guys can barely read text and follow instructions. In fact, most of them are likely functionally illiterate and are coaxed through their programs by a system that is punished if it does not pass people.

The average policeman will find his brain sorely taxed by the average incident report form. Describing the phrase "false positive" to them is like trying to explain calculus to a mouse.

giardini today at 6:07 PM
This has been posted at least twice before on HN.