I think most people agree: potentially torturing human brains is bad.

I think most people also agree: torturing pets is bad too. Maybe like a 1/10th as bad as torturing humans, but still bad.

Yet despite all that, we MASS TORTURE MILLIONS OF NON-PET ANIMALS EVERY YEAR ... just so we can all have cheaper Big Macs.

P.S. If you disagree with the above, I strongly encourage you to prove how right you are, by researching what factory farming is, how widespread the practice is, and whether what they do to their animals amounts to torture. Please, look that up and "prove me wrong".

Live dissection and experimentation on “alive but drugged” human brains is mental. How do you ensure that you aren’t torturing a brain that can’t see, hear or scream? How are you held accountable?

This makes me feel physically ill. It's like something straight out of a sci-fi dystopia, how did this get approved? Who determined that reinjecting biological activity into a human brain is definitely not some form of reanimation? If they're using heavy sedation to prevent electrical activity, is that not tacit admission they're not 100% sure that consciousness might return otherwise? How did this pass ethics review, or did they even bother?

“We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?”

Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7 Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467 (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)

I just finished reading "That Hideous Strength" (CS Lewis) this weekend where they have a disembodied head kept "alive", and some convicts in the pipeline whose heads/brains, it is implied, will be experimented on similarly. Lewis was remarkably prophetic.

This is legal but I can't legally pay another adult for sex or take drugs that could harm me? And there are many restrictions on gambling. It's weird how some morals are legislated but not others.

NEW VISTA, OUTER RIM—Just a cycle ago, the brain was in a living person. Now, hours after its first owner died, it sits on a slab draped in tubes that quiver as they pump liters of blood substitute and other fluids through the organ, supplying oxygen and removing waste. As far as anyone knows, with many of its key functions intact but maybe awarness muffled by drugs, the brain hovers between life and death. As people subject it to experimental drugs, sensors record the brain's reactions, capturing hundreds of data points on its cells, proteins, and physiology. Then, after 24 hours in this state, it will be sliced into hundreds of pieces for more detailed study.

I will be removing my organ donor status. This is horrifying.

I find it hard to believe the donors had any idea they were authorizing an experiment like this but sure hope I am wrong.

Reminds me of the Three Body Problem and sending a live brain to the cosmos because the tyranny of the rocket equation made a whole human impossible.

"alive" is not a meaningful term. It makes sense only when you have blunt instruments to measure aliveness, like pulse, respiration, heart beat, etc.

Once you go much more granular, there's no particular spot to make a distinction between "alive" and "not alive", until you stop seeing any electrical, biochemical and mechanical activity of any kind, at which point you're basically saying "inert".

I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream.

There is a documentary about this:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052646/mediaviewer/rm713036545...

The obvious question I would have asked: given the concern that this may not be ethical if the brains are still “alive” AND the concern that a brain separated from the body probably doesn’t function these same, why wouldn’t we test things in living monkeys (instead of mice)???

It seems that the likelihood is high that the right animal model would yield superior data???

Let me add Johnny Got His Gun to the surprisingly large number of works that seem to anticipate exactly this premise.

A nice reminder to not check the "organ donor" box at the DMV

To be honest, if my only other option was to be buried, I would love to let my brain be connected to some machine that try to keep it as alive-like as possible.

Just please don't remove my brain before I'm 1000% certainly dead.

That's demonic creativity.

Does this tech take us one step closer to a human brain in a robot body, or some kind of simulated reality?

This is literally my biggest fear. The idea that my biology or consciousness could be keep alive and in a state of suffering for years, decades, centuries or longer via neural simulation or biological intervention.

I do wonder if AI advancements will allow me to see these horrors play out. Hopefully not to myself.

https://spikeartmagazine.com/articles/libra-season-hello-cru...

They have no mouth and they must scream...

What the fuck? This is beyond the pale.

“We'll send only a brain"

Just no.

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