1. <dl> has no corresponding (viz. implicit) role, but can be given the role group, list, none or presentation <https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/#el-dl>.
Theyāre not nameāvalue pairs, theyāre nameāvalue groups.
kqptoday at 4:30 PM
This is going to be unpopular here, but life became easier when I quit trying to write semantic HTML. Itās just poorly designed, Iām sorry. Every time Iāve reached for a <dl> Iāve eventually regretted it because I wanted multiple levels of wrappers, or a divider between sections, or an icon, or a heading spanning multiple key-value pairs, etc. They make this stuff with some flexibility but nowhere near enough to actually cover the generalized concept it purports to. I still use the corresponding elements when there are observable benefits, of course, like <button>, <h1>, etc, but when all itās going to do is not quite fit the data model and force me to override everything, itās just not a practical choice.
It shouldnāt be so controversial to say that if 99% of usage routes around your API, itās probably the APIās fault.
jimbosistoday at 2:59 PM
The world's first website makes heavy use of <dl>s.
https://info.cern.ch/ (A landing page of sorts to give context and orientation about the actual first website.)
gstetoday at 7:15 PM
I've been following roadmap.sh, and while it's not a comprehensive learning resource, it does help close obvious knowledge gaps. As it happens I was just reading about this.
> Prior to HTML5, this was called a definition list. This is because the <dl> was originally only intended to represent glossaries of terms and their definitions.
The final example of the DnD statt sheet makes me think whether it's legal to nest <dl>s?
I.e. can we do
<dl>
<dt>Actions</dt>
<dd><dl>...</dl></dd>
</dl>
Demiurgetoday at 2:29 PM
I love DL. I think tables, at least in the past, were misused as DLs even more in the past and the inconvenience of the table markup is even worse than a bunch of divs.
phyzix5761today at 1:51 PM
I'm curious if the spec actually says you can only wrap it with a div because I like to do semantic html and name my elements specific to my domain.
rickstanleytoday at 1:50 PM
I've used this a good amount of times, when I coded in front end projects. The first time gave me that satisfying feeling of using the right tool for the job, like completing a puzzle of HTML semantics. I remember JAWS not announcing it correctly in 2018, not sure if it's better now.
tlntoday at 2:50 PM
> Admittedly, however, support for the <dl> element is not yet universal.
Wait what? <DL> has been in HTML since.. the first draft in 1993!
I like DL's but they can be challenging to style. This article is using a lot of fixed pixel widths which would break on really small screens or larger data.
Telemakhostoday at 1:49 PM
I was a bit surprised to see nested <div>s given as some sort of precursor pattern, when <dl> was part of HTML before 2.0 back in the days of table layout.
shermantanktoptoday at 3:06 PM
The <dl> tag seems to cover a subset of a broad semantic space, but doesnāt easily extend beyond adding another <dd>.
I dunno, I guess Iām a caveman. If it looks right and works (including accessibility) then I figure Iām pursuing something that doesnāt matter a lot.
turtleyachttoday at 1:15 PM
Hoped to see CSS for the alternative, where <div> is not nested inside the <dl>. Too used to thinking of div as "layout containers."
We've always used this in our ebooks for abbreviation and glossary lists. The problem I've always had is that you need to use a bit of css to make two lined-up columns. I've done it with floats. Now, some ebook readers will support grid and flex-box, which give better results, but the Kindle still does not. Kindle is sort of the IE6 of the ebook world.
gbeardishtoday at 2:19 PM
What about multiple '<dt>' for one or more '<dd>'?
smitty1etoday at 2:56 PM
This seems a clear enough win for things that would fit into a simple python dictionary.
Why is it preferred over <table> for laying out columns via a the character attributes at the bottom of TFA?
mockbuildtoday at 2:38 PM
it's on archive html5 .flac 16-bit 44.1kHz no <dl> flag.
jdw64today at 2:11 PM
blog looks beautiful. I really wish I had this kind of talent for frontend.
lechimptoday at 5:08 PM
It always bugs me that the naming of the element does not seem to really fit examples like āAuthor: Tolkienā. Itās not that _Tolkienā_ ādefinesā the ātermā _Author_ right? The elements are still used for key-value-lists and no one seems to notice or comment on this issue.