Cherenkov Radiation - traveling faster than light

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nuccy today at 9:23 AM
The title (likely intentionally) is misleading, it should say "travelling faster than light in a medium". Nothing here travels faster than light in vacuum.

BTW there are special types of telescopes used to observe gamma rays - they cannot see gamma ray directly but observe a flash of Cherenkov light of a cascade of charged particles created when gamma ray hits atoms in the atmosphere. Those telescopes are Imaging Atmospheric Cherenkov Telescopes [1].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGIC_(telescope) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERITAS or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Energy_Stereoscopic_Syste... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_Telescope_Array_Obse...

prathje today at 9:39 AM
It took me a long time to develop an intuition for light and electromagnetic wave propagation, and I’m still working on it.

Fundamentally, changes in the EM field propagate always with the speed of light in a vacuum, i.e., c (also known as the speed of causality). Single EM waves propagate with exactly this speed and they do not magically slow down in a medium... they propagate happily at speed c!

But since EM radiation interacts with matter and this interaction itself changes the EM field again it results in more EM waves that propagate also at c. Hence, they propagate together and the net result be constructive or deconstructive as well as anything in between. If they have different frequencies, they can also create "interference" patterns or pulse envelopes that seem to propagate slower and even faster than c.

No doubt that the causes and effects are not easy to understand but always thinking in terms of changes in the EM field ALWAYS propagating at c helped me.

chinathrow today at 9:28 AM
> How can something travel faster than light?

> Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. However, in other mediums, particles can potentially move faster than light. For instance, while in water, light would instantly slow down to 75% of its normal speed, but there are other particles that don’t slow down as much and end up moving faster than light. Whenever that happens, a blue or violet glow occurs.

After reading this answer, I was not any wiser.

margorczynski today at 10:11 AM
I think a problem is that because of historical reasons the speed of light is used interchangeably to something much more fundamental - the maximum speed at which information can propagate in space. Which is of course the speed of light in a vacuum but a better approach is the inverse - light in a vacuum moves at the maximum speed possible in our universe.
baxtr today at 9:20 AM
In water!

"In water" is the "In mice" equivalent for physics.

fbn79 today at 9:40 AM
To be precise, what we call the “speed of light” is the limiting speed at which information and causal effects can propagate through spacetime. In vacuum, it coincides with the propagation speed of photons, i.e. of light. In other media or under certain conditions, however, light can propagate at a speed lower than , without changing the fundamental limit imposed by relativity. So "speed of light" used to denote is a bit misleading
gste today at 10:10 AM
This reminds me of prescientific explanations of the sun and stars

Like the best thing we have to remark on is the fact it is blue when this is probably the least remarkable thing about it

intrasight today at 9:35 AM
> When charged particles moving faster than light travel in, for example, water, they perturb the energy equilibrium of the atoms that are in their way.

Why? How good an analogy is a sonic boom?

HPsquared today at 9:24 AM
I wonder if there could be something other than vacuum, in which light would travel faster.
freitzzz today at 9:41 AM
Not a science guy per se, is this blue the same blue in the radioactive accident in Goiânia’s?
HelloUsername today at 9:47 AM
Completely normal phenomenon