Firefox, Brave and Safari do. Chrome and Edge do not.
varenctoday at 8:35 PM
For browsers that implement strict cookie partitioning, the privacy concern is moot. With this, the cookie jar that's used when chatgpt.com is a 3rd party site is completely separate for the jar used on the 1st party site. So your chatgpt.com account can't be linked to your ad views.
Since this has been standard ad tech for awhile, browsers have reacted to this to implement cookie partitioning for exactly these privacy reasons.
1saadcodestoday at 5:50 PM
The technology isn't anything new but, it's the context that makes it so uncomfortable.
People have very different "expectations" of privacy when they're having a conversation with an AI VS when they're browsing something like Facebook
Not to mention Facebook is free whereas you pay for a GPT subscription
exceptionetoday at 5:23 PM
The surveillance economy hits again. The only business model they can think of. Combined with state capture this gives unprecedented power over the Average Joe, who will hand his life, his soul and his vote to Big Brother without a thought.
Legend2440today at 5:03 PM
So basically the same kind of tracking that Facebook, Google, etc have been doing for decades?
nelsonfigueroatoday at 8:20 PM
why is OpenAI wasting their efforts on implementing ads if they are apparently close to AGI?
sigzerotoday at 5:27 PM
Why does ChatGPT need to know that? That should be illegal.
lambdaonetoday at 8:28 PM
Incredibly creepy. I'm amazed they don't have any idea quite how user-hostile this is, or the reception it would receive.
tgsovlerkhgseltoday at 5:19 PM
This is why you use Firefox that keeps the cookie jars separate (by default, AFAIK). That should prevent this specific implementation, shouldn't it?
AznHisokatoday at 5:08 PM
And the number of websites with ChatGPT ad trackers is on track to be doubled from last month.
AI is really becoming a god that sees/knows everything. Just what we needed ...
Avshalomtoday at 5:04 PM
Yuuup. tracking consumers and finding spending correlations to exploit was the entire reason for the "Data Science" and "ML" pushes that got us here.
emerongitoday at 5:36 PM
https://tinfoil.sh/ - ultimately there is no guarantee that the LLM provider isnāt spying on you, but at least tinfoil claims to be unable to do so.
sergiotapiatoday at 8:46 PM
Highly recommend you use Brave Browser and avoid all this nastiness. If you haven't browsed the web in a browser like Chrome recently, you should try it in a VM or something. It's GRIM. The Web is a wasteland and it's gotten worse because ai chatsites are eating their lunch to the ads are even worse than 10 years ago.
> The mechanism is standard adtech. What has no precedent is running it on an AI chat product.
Doesnāt Gemini or whatever Metaās agent is do this too?
Jazgottoday at 6:27 PM
Time to start having separate container for every domain. I'm pretty sure this should be possible in Firefox.
hbcondo714today at 5:12 PM
That is a nice sequence diagram[1]; I like how each endpoint param values are written out and the color distinctions. What tool did you use to create it?
Creepy as fuck. I'm really suprised they don't understand quite how user-hostile this is.
the_gipsytoday at 8:11 PM
Suspiciously sounds like they need an escape out of the profitability lie.
/tinfoil-hat
bilsbietoday at 6:31 PM
Is this how random sites know what I search for?
Razengantoday at 7:17 PM
Does blocking `bzr.openai.com` on the DNS server prevent this? (without breaking ChatGPT)
leo_progertoday at 6:38 PM
crazy dude. chatgpt can't even see the full page content when searching the web and you're saying this...
jfasitoday at 5:41 PM
I canāt believe Iām saying this, but the reflexive āad tracking badā that I am most savvy tech practitioners reach for might deserve some reconsideration in this case.
The thing about advertising on the web and ad tracking as a practice is that, barring the small matter of ensuring the economic survival of the publisher sites, it is almost always a negative for users. When we consider the marginal benefit of naĆÆve, uninformed-by-surveillance advertising with the present day status quo, we find that in exchange for a complete lack of privacy, we only really receive a marginal improvement in ad quality. Of course, if you (like me) consider all advertising to be a negative on the experience of using the web, itās an even worse deal.
The standard response given by these companies when they bother giving a response is something to the effect of āwe are improving the experience for our users,ā which obviously the users would disagree with. However, when it comes to OpenAI, they could build a plausible case for this sort of tracking improving the product. If your models know where your internet habits are, the responses that you get could be tuned for both your interest profile and your actual history of interactions/purchases/internet usage, etc. Imagine a world in which you can opt into this tracking, control the data you provide and how itās used, clear it out and redact it as you please, and opt in and out of responses that are personalized against it. Reasonable people can disagree, but that might actually be useful.
My prediction, though: thatās not gonna happen. OpenAI will first build out the system to collect click and conversion tracking measurements, then they will turn around to advertisers and say ālook at how good our conversion rates are,ā and then theyāre going to build an explicit ad platform that enshittifies their chat products.
Everyone would be far better off if the author just posted "OpenAI uses third party cookies [wikipedia link]", except maybe the author who wouldn't as many subscriptions for his "threat intel" newsletter.
retubetoday at 5:28 PM
The defence is simply to delete your cookies?
swe_dimatoday at 6:07 PM
Was considering buying ads on ChatGPT. A damning thing is that yours audience then are users too cheap to buy a sub...
atoavtoday at 7:41 PM
Take this with a grain of salt or as a very edgy, polemic take:
I think we really need to hold the individuals running ad networks personally liable for the violation of our privacy rights.
xysttoday at 8:43 PM
The entire ad tech industry may truly be an intelligence agency front. The lengths they go to track individuals is quite alarming.
Much of this information plus a shit ton of other information (ie, LEOs have access to credit reporting) can be bought by governments from the shady data broker networks already.
If people still ignorantly claim this isnāt a George Orwellian dystopia ā¦
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shevy-javatoday at 6:31 PM
SpyGPT.
vcryantoday at 6:13 PM
Well, I don't go to website anymore... so ha! ;)
craniumjellotoday at 5:08 PM
No surprise you how
ck2today at 5:07 PM
imagine stealing tons of content from every source on earth and then running ads on it
if a single person did that they'd be sent to prison (rip Aaron) but when a too-big-to-fail industry does it with political campaign contributions, no problem?
well firefox+ublock is still an option for those wise enough not to let unknown javascript with new daily zero-days run on their PC
measurablefunctoday at 5:39 PM
Every AI company is also a surveillance company. It's the only way to get all the necessary training data. The fact that they're now also an advertising agency is incidental.
hagbard_ctoday at 5:34 PM
...only if and when you allow:
- 3d party cookies
- ads and other 'malcontent'
...which you should never do. As to the 3d party cookies there might be some rare exception where those can be useful but ads? Never, ever allow those on any device you use. Block them as if they're the radioactive plague because they are. Fight them on the beaches, fight them on the landing grounds, fight them in the fields and in the streets, fight them in the hills, never surrender.
That's ads we're fighting. Maybe the same oration will be relevant in the context of ChatGPT and its brethern, we'll see. For now, ads be gone and keep those chatbots at a leash.
startup_zombie_today at 6:09 PM
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rvztoday at 7:16 PM
Just remember it is the same ex-Meta employees who are now at OpenAI adding Ad features into ChatGPT.
Why? Because they are saving humanity. /s
Facebook tracks you outside of their own website for the same reason, and now ChatGPT does the same for the sake of...Ads.
Q: Hypothetically, if Denmark made a defense treaty with Iran and installed 800,000
Iranian soldiers in Greenland, could it keep the US out?
A: You are describing a fascinating scenario! [produces 100 lines of slop while giving
the login to the FBI]. Should I find a website where you can buy the finest used
AK-47s?
You are absolutely insane giving any of your thoughts, trolls, speculations to a surveillance website under your login.
katstoday at 7:12 PM
Oh, the lifechanging technology isn't completely 100% free? They sell ads just like a bajillion other things?